Aromatherapy For Studying

Aromatherapy For Studying

meredith:hello, everyone. welcome to cellular healing tv. i’m your host, meredith dykstra, and thisis episode number 162. we have our resident cellular healing specialist,dr. dan pompa on the line, of course, and today we welcome special guest, dr. eric zielinski.

Aromatherapy For Studying, we have a really exciting topic for you today. we have not bridged this yet on cellular healingtv. we’re going to be talking about all of thebenefits and the therapeutic use of essential oils.

dr. eric is an expert on this topic, so we’regoing to delve into oils, and their different benefits, and a lot of different connectionsthey have to other aspects of our health. before we jump in, let me tell you a littlebit more about dr. eric. founder of the essential oils revolution summitsthat have reached more than 265,000 people across the globe, dr. eric zielinski is aformally trained public health researcher and aromatherapist that has created the mostextensive biblical health database on the internet. his website, is visited by hundredsof thousands of natural health-seekers every month, and he has rapidly become the go-toresource for essential oils education and

spiritual inspiration through social media. welcome, dr. eric, to cellular healing tv. dr. eric:thank you much for having me. it really is an honor. i’ve been following your work for quitea while, and i’m just excited. i’m excited to share the message with youall. dr. pompa:something we have in common is our faith. i love your message, no doubt about it, soi was really excited to interview you today. i got to hear a little bit – the bio doesn’tdo it justice.

how did you even get into healthcare? kind of tell us your journey there, and then,of course, how did you get into essential oils? just kind of start here and give us a littlebit. dr. eric:you know, dr. pompa, it’s a transformation, and it’s just been a beautiful journey. i’m 37 years old. when i look back, i’m like, “wow, god! you did all that,” and i could see how itplayed out, but at the time, i didn’t know

it was happening. the crux of the story is i was sick. i was a sick child. when i say that, i wasn’t at the ronaldmcdonald house. i didn’t have lupus. i didn’t have cancer. i was just chronically not well, had achesand pains. i had cystic acne, chronic gi issues, bloatinggas. we’re talking things that would plague ateenager.

not only that, but when i was younger, chronicear infections and sore throats. my parents elected to have my adenoids andmy tonsils taken out, vital parts of your lymphatic system. it all started just living on the standardamerican diet. i was not breastfed. my mother elected not to for various reasons,and i think that’s a very critical part. i just had poor gut health. also, i didn’t have a very strong spiritualbackground, as well, emotionally and mentally drained.

as a late teen, early adult, i fell hard inalcoholism, narcotic drugs, depression. i even was suicidal and suicide ideation. here i was, 22, 23 years old. on the outside, i looked pretty good. i had the mtb six-pack body, but on the inside,i was rotting, drinking a pot of coffee a day just to get through the day to pass myclasses. when i graduated school, i had no real purpose. i had no vision. i had no real guidance on what to do, andi was ripe.

i was at that rock bottom moment, and that’swhen i met christ. it was one of those spiritual transformations. i kid you not, immediately freed from my nicotineaddiction. i was smoking a pack a day. i stopped drugs. i stopped drinking. i stopped my pot of coffee. i stopped cussing. i used to swear like a sailor.

my whole life changed. i had a dramatic transformation. here’s the key, dr. pompa: my mentor atthe time was 60 years old and the healthiest person i knew, and still is. he said, “eric, your body is a temple ofthe holy spirit. you have to take care of it.” being a christian doesn’t mean you justread your bible and go to church; it’s a whole lifestyle. he started praying with me, and that rightthere, as a 23-year-old man, imparted something

on my spirit that took me here now 14 yearslater. my journey took me through life universitychiropractic college, took me to emery university to study public health, and here i am today. essential oils, i got to say, it’s a partof the puzzle. i noticed that when i hosted my online summita couple years ago that there was so much misinformation out there, especially regardingthe biblical health piece. i’m like, “you know what? i got to learn more about this,” so i’mstudying aromatherapy. i really dove into it, and that’s what peoplewant.

it’s unbelievable. hundreds of thousands of people online, onmy website, they just want me to teach them about oils. dr. pompa:wow. that’s quite a story. honestly, i didn’t know. i had no idea that you went through that. i talk about my from pain to purpose. man, you’ve got your pain to purpose.

that’s for darn sure. with that said, obviously today’s topicis pulling in essential oils, and with a biblical background that you have, essential oils fitsthat. essential oils go back into biblical timesall the way from frankincense to myrrh. we talk about it all the time. these are some of god’s healing tools. is that kind of what struck you into the thingof essential oils? were you reading some of this biblically andapplied it? how did that transition occur?

dr. eric:it’s a good question. during school, as i’m sure you remembermany moons ago, i was supporting the family during chiropractic college, and the [00:05:40]so i really got myself in a position where i was writing. i was a medical writer just to pay the bills. one of my clients asked me –during school,asked me to write a series of public health reports on essential oils. that was the first time i was introduced tothat side of essential oils. pre-date back to that, my wife’s been usingessential oils since we’ve been married.

she has her routine. i don’t know what she does. i kind of do now, but she puts them here,there, everywhere. we delivered four babies at home, and thefirst homebirth, it really blew my mind how prepared she was with aromatherapy throughall the stages of labor. her story’s profound. her skin was miraculously healed through essentialoils. if we have a moment, i could tell you aboutthat. at the end of the day, i didn’t think anythingof them because several years ago i had tried

to use essential oils, and it didn’t workfor me. i got to say, i was disenchanted because herei am, all about natural health. i saw online, “hey, natural solutions”for certain health conditions i was trying to battle. it didn’t do anything for me. i’m like, “you know, this stuff’s justsmelly stuff. i’ll leave it to sabrina. i’ll leave it to the ladies.” i was that guy that marginalized it.

who wants to go play basketball smelling likeylang ylang? the dudes are going take away my man card. you know what i mean? i put it away. when i hit that research – and then that’swhat really brought me to christ. i didn’t have one of those, like, “oh,i went to church, had a altar call.” no. i’d studied biblical study. i studied archeology.

for months, i studied. i read books. i’m just that kind of guy. god knows that’s how you reach me. it has to go through my head first; it goesto my heart [00:07:20] dr. pompa:me, too, man! me, too. i’m the same way. believe me, i was the same way.

i was like, “okay.” i had to disprove the whole evolutionary process,or prove it to myself, or whatever process god had to take me through. yeah, he’ll reach us where we are. in that, though, you started finding out moreabout essential oils. dr. eric:yeah. this is the key: i started researching. i started looking at the literature and thenthe question, just like how it was when i became a christian.

the question when i became a christian was,“okay, it was about the bible. either the bible really is the word of god,or it’s just a really cool book.” that’s what proved to me – and i lookedat all the prophecies that were fulfilled. when it came to essential oils, very similar. i’m like, “okay. this stuff is either hocus pocus, or i didn’tdo it right when i tried.” what was going on? i found out i wasn’t really using essentialoils. flashlight, everyone.

light bulb. dr. robert pappas, foremost chemist in thisarea, i had the privilege of interviewing him twice for my summits. according to dr. pappas, who has tested virtuallyevery essential oil on the market, 75% of the oils on the market are adulterated, whichmeans one of two things, really. they’re either fake/synthetic, or they’rehighly diluted to the point where you don’t even know what you’re getting. i bought junk knock-off stuff at the healthfood store that wasn’t even real therapeutic-grade essential oils.

then when i started looking into the brands,i was like, “whoa! this is what frankincense really should smelllike. this is how lemon should taste. this is how i use tea tree to battle, let’ssay, whatever, toe fungus or whatever it might be.” that is when my world changed because i gotthe real deal. most people out there, they don’t get thereal deal. they don’t know where to find it, and theydon’t know how. i’m transforming that, and now it’s partof my – if you look at my medicine cabinet,

most of it’s essential oils now. to me, it was the missing piece of the pie. up until the last few years, they just weren’tpart of my protocol. dr. pompa:why do they work? let’s say you’re getting the good oils,and we can talk a little bit about that, some of your favorite brands, perhaps, but whatdo they do? why do they work? why are they so effective? dr. eric:revelation, chapter 22, the leaves of the

trees of the healing of the nations. why? how? the essential oil. the essential oil is what god gave the plantto protect the plant from vectors, from flies, from microorganisms that attack it, from fungalinfections, you name it. it heals the plant, protects the plant, nourishes,so many different aspects. when we extract those healing properties ofthe plant, its essential – we all know herbs are good.

we all know roots. look at native medicine around the world. if you extract them, if you get them in aconcentrated form, you just made medicine. a lot of medicines are based off the chemicalcompounds in plants, like aspirin, perfect example, birch. you could use lavender. you could get a pound of lavender, make anincense of it or do whatever you want with a tea, but if you use the lavender oil, youbasically just 10x, 20x the power. we need to remember one thing: the essentialoils that we have today are really nothing

what people used to use centuries and millenniumago. they didn’t have distillation like we do. they didn’t have cold pressing extraction. they couldn’t get what we have. what we have today is unbelievably strong,and the ancients never experienced it. when you look at jesus, gold, frankincense,and myrrh, jesus didn’t have essential oils. dr. pompa:can i make a – i have a question for you. now i’m playing devil’s advocate here. would being a part of building out a lot ofproducts and supplements – it’s oftentimes

hard for us to find, let’s say, ginseng. we look at the [00:11:20] the chromography,and we look at the power of the plant, and it’s very difficult because even the organicones that come in, they’re grown in such terrible soils, or they’re grown in soilsthat, really, ginseng wasn’t meant to be grown in. finding where ginseng originally grew, themineral substrates in the ground, etcetera, makes that plant thrive and be strong. i get it. you’re right, man.

the extraction processes, no doubt, wouldbe better than it was back then, but what about finding frankincense from a good soiland where the plant comes from that we extract it from? is that a factor? dr. eric:one hundred percent. we have found indigenous sourcing is the key. my father-in-law is a retired agri-scientistfrom dow chemical. i haven’t shared this on another podcastyet, but it’s time for me to come out. he actually helped develop gmos.

he worked with monsanto. i married the enemy. i seriously should have had my wife checkedby a private investigator. we laugh about it. dr. pompa:[00:12:22] better, man. [00:12:23] dr. eric:i know. it’s awesome. we’re still trying to convert him.

here he was. he told me, “you cannot compare naturallyindigenous plant” – i mean he said, “the chemical compounds in the indigenous plants,you can’t compare to non-indigenous. it just doesn’t even work.” i live in georgia. i live in atlanta. i could grow a fig tree in my back yard andhave pretty tasty fruit, but the vitamins and minerals in that fig won’t compare toone in jerusalem. we need to remember that.

also – i hate to say it for folks out there– but getting around the organic thing is getting virtually impossible. i don’t say that because i don’t wantto be defeatist, but it’s becoming almost impossible to get pure anything anymore, purefood, pure water. essential oils have been tested, and therewas a major conference in italy a couple years ago. they found that organic essential oils hadpesticides residue in them. there’s runoff water and because monsanto– again, thanks, father-in-law. monsanto is spraying five miles down the road,and drift wind, and vectors, and flies, and

bees. dan, i know you know this, but people needto realize there’s no guarantee of safety out there anymore, so we have to minimizethe best that we can. here’s the key, and here’s why i mentionedit: you get indigenous-sourced plants because the way that god planted them, they don’tneed the pesticides if they’re truly an indigenous plant. they don’t need it. they shouldn’t. dr. pompa:absolutely.

dr. eric:that’s the key. i’d rather choose an indigenous plant overan organic plant that’s in some farm in idaho. dr. pompa:me, too. dr. eric:when it comes to essential oils, same thing. dr. pompa:that was a great answer. i appreciate that answer. looking for an essential oil, we want onethat’s extracted properly using cold pressing, not denaturing it, using heat, etcetera, youmight want to add to that.

we also want to find where it coming fromindigenous plants as their source versus just organic plants grown in idaho. dr. eric:one thing, too, when it comes to heat, it’s a little bit different because they’re notdealing with proteins being denatured. the chemical compounds in these essentialoils are stuff that you probably forgot, dan. it’s in biochemistry class, ketones, esters,alcohols, terpenes. what’s that? there’s no vitamins, or minerals, or proteinsin oils. they actually have to be steam-distilled,so they need to evaporate.

what an essential oils is, folks, it’s thevolatile organic compound, volatile meaning it evaporates. if there is a chemical compound in the plantthat can’t evaporate, then it won’t get into the essential oil. it will be too heavy. it will be too dense. it will be part of the hydrosol. it will be part of the leftover water that’svery healthy, very good. see, the essential oils really – the crã¨mede la crã¨me of highly volatile, very light

– we’re talking very low daltons if youguys are chemistry nerds out there on the daltons – dr. pompa:daltons are molecular weight. dr. eric:yep. we’re talking very low on the dalton scalecompared to something else. we could geek out on this a little bit forsome of the chemistry folks, but the reality is they’re very special and essentiallywhat we smell. that’s what we got to remember. when you’re walking through that rose garden,you’re not going to find a pool of rose

oil. it doesn’t exist. it needs to be extracted. if you’re walking and brush up against aplant, you’ll smell the vapor. you’ll smell the essence. that’s the volatile organic compound. if you’ve smelled [00:15:55] dr. pompa:tell them a little bit about the dalton, which is the molecular weight.

i know this from my own biochemistry in productdevelopment that for something to go into a cell, it has to be a certain molecular weight,something from 200 to 300, maybe even up to 600. is that another reason why essential oilswork is because they’re able to get into the cell and then affect the dna? dr. eric:they’re lipid-soluble. that’s the key. every one of them are lipid-soluble. when you think about that, how many thingscan’t cross that cellular membrane because

of the phospholipid protection? so many drugs are virtually useless becauseof that. there have been studies, dan. i don’t condone pharmaceutical use unlessabsolutely necessary, but there have been studies that show essential oil therapy withdrugs help the drugs be more effective, mainly chemo. some chemotherapies just can’t cross theblood-brain barrier, for example, to get glioblastoma and other astrocytoma type of cancers, butif you applied those drugs with essential oils, it essentially opens up the gates sothe drugs can do their job.

dr. pompa:it’s awesome. now we know a lot more than we did in thebeginning, so our viewers are already excited. now, here’s what our viewers are asking,and our listeners. “okay, great. what type of oils can i use for these typeof symptoms and conditions?” i know that we’re not saying that this oilis a cure for this condition. i don’t want to get you in trouble here. meredith, this is probably in your questions. meredith, by the way, she loves essentialoils.

she’s very good at essential oils. she always hooks me up with essential oils,so thank you, meredith, for that. let’s talk about that because honestly,that’s what our viewers want. meredith, you can fire away with that, namingdifferent conditions. doc, what are some of your favorites and forwhat conditions? dr. eric:it all depends on what you need, and [00:17:53] what you want, and i need to remember, people,when it comes to essential oil therapy, there is nothing like prevention. in the guise of this – if we don’t havean hour to talk – i wish we had an hour

just about this topic. folks, we got to stay away from the antibacterialproducts, the hand sanitizers, and all those that cause toxic overload in the body, andthat’s where essential oils are worth their weight in gold. they replace those products. that’s where i could get people to start. dr. pompa:that’s a great thing. what do you use every day? that sounds like things you’re using everyday.

meredith, what do you use every day? go ahead. let’s hear it. meredith:i use the blend, too. i never use hand soaps. especially if i’m not at home where i havemore natural soaps, i use essential oil blends. i carry the oils in my purse, and i just rubthem on my hands as natural antibacterial. i have a blend, and it has clove in it andwild orange. sometimes i use rosemary or cypress on myhands.

lavender, of course, is a nice antibacterial,as well. this is just simple oil blends you can keepwith you instead of using those toxic soaps. dr. pompa:doc, what do you use? dr. eric:dan, i just wanted to – i just got out of the gym. i wanted to freshen up. took a nice shower before the interview. i’m staying away from lavender. i don’t want vetiver, lavender, things tocalm me down, so we created a joyful blend,

with some jojoba, some almond oil with orange,lemon, vanilla. it just perks me up. those are citrus oils that have been proven,literally, to work in the limbic system to boost mood, lower depression, and get youin a better state of consciousness. that’s what i want to do right now. i want to be kind of – i’m not one ofthose who’s laid back. i’m just high energy, especially when ido an interview, so that’s what [00:19:45] dr. pompa:where do you put it? do you put it here?

do you sniff it? for me, when it comes to the lotion – iactually use this as a body lotion throughout my body, but there are many ways that youcould use them. you can probably see it, maybe, in the background. i have a diffuser with a few oils that, again,are very uplifting, very [00:20:02] dr. pompa:i have one [00:20:03] dr. eric:do you? i have a couple – meredith:i have mine going, too.

they’re great. dr. eric:i have some that maybe people aren’t familiar with because a lot of folks that follow me,they’re part of a network marketing company, and that’s how they get their oils. i’ve found that i like to go outside ofthat world a little bit to get some really cool esoteric oils like yuzu, like opoponax,like elemi. love those oils. that’s what i’m smelling right now. it’s very uplifting, very energetic.

you could use oils virtually for whateveryou want. that’s the thing. when people ask me, i always say, “whatdo you want to accomplish? do you want to accomplish a sedative, calming– you want to be uplifted? are we trying to balance blood sugar?” we kind of go with that, and then we reallytarget an approach for people. dr. pompa:let’s mention a few things and some things we can target for that, but let’s hit the800-pound gorilla here right here up front. so many of these oils are network marketing.

gosh, young living, that was the originalone. i’m assuming they’re still around, andthen new one’s doterra. i bet you there’s another one i probablydon’t even know about. i think that these oils are the perfect thingfor network marketing because people love to try them; it’s basic; they can use this;they turn their friends onto them. i think that’s why those companies explode. i’m always a little cautious. i have nothing against network marketing. i don’t.

if the product’s good, i think it’s agreat thing. however, typically, it’s overpriced, butagain, there’s some products that we love like asea that’s the only way to get it. it’s a very unique product. there’s some other products that i haveno problem. if that’s the only way to get it, we’llget it. for doctors, it’s hard because they don’twant to look like they’re just putting people in a network marketing thing. there’s that.

some of the oils you’re using, the onesin the network marketing, let’s discuss it. i know we have some on our website. what do you do? what’s your comment to that? i don’t even know what i’m asking. dr. eric:i actually use several. here is my “i will never compromise on this”stance because it’s who i am. i will not tell people the brands i use, norwill i recommend them for a variety of reasons,

but i will say there are several good brandsout there, and we do use oils from network marketing companies. i use oils from direct suppliers. i use from a variety of different things. you mentioned a couple good points, and ihad gotten this question so many times because [00:22:38] reason why, dan, as a public healthresearcher, i am convinced that bias is very important to avoid. i don’t know anyone – literally, i don’tknow anyone – i challenge you out there watching, listening, find an essential oileducator on the internet who doesn’t sell

you’re not going to [00:22:54] period. i’m the only one. here’s the thing: once i started tellingpeople, “you know what? i’m not going to sell these oils,” hundredsof thousands of people started flocking to me because they realize i’m a safe placeto land. with that, that’s the reason [00:23:07] dr. pompa:by the way, that’s why you’re on the show. what was the first thing i said to meredith? it’s like, “oh, meredith, i would loveto bring the topic, but i don’t want someone

just [hawcking] what they think is good.” i try to bring the products, i try to carrymultiple products, and i try to bring the products that i use myself, that i believein, that i have researched, and that i’m a part of somehow. our viewers are still going to say, “i knowyou’re not selling the product, eric, but give us the top three or five that you knowthat are indigenous sources, that are processing it correctly.” people are going to ask, right, meredith? meredith:[00:23:42]

dr. eric:here’s my solution to that: go to my website,, look up the word brand, and you’regoing to find the article, how to choose a brand. here’s the thing about it, and this is reallyimportant. i’ve seen people that they, in a sense,ignore the organoleptic aspect of this. for people who don’t know what organolepticis, how does a substance, how does an essential oil, how does a new food respond to your body? you break out in hives. you get a headache.

how does it taste and feel? you need to be emotionally sound, and youneed to be – we need to respond well to something. here’s what i’ve seen: i’ve seen “thepurest oil on the market” give someone a headache. maybe that species, that source, just didn’trespond well. what you want to do, there are very – again,i use several. you want to find one that works for you. to me, that’s the beauty of functional nutrition,functional whatever you want to call it because

there’s so many different ways of lookingat this, is finding what works for you. again, i’m a 37-year-old white guy fromsicily and poland. what is going to work for me isn’t goingto work for, let’s say, a 74-year-old african-american from kenya. i think we forget that. if you’re a network marketer out there,bless your heart. make a couple bucks, but remember, your oilisn’t the only oil on the market. there’s a lot of others out there. folks, you want to try, and here’s whatyou do: you’re going to go first to some

family and friends and get a referral. i’m a referral junkie. whether it’s my dentist, my chiropractor,whoever it is, i want someone that’s proven and tested by a loved one. go ask your loved ones, “hey, what oilsdo you use?” i guarantee you you’re going to find someonewho uses oils. they’re that popular. then you get a couple. go online.

see what you can see about some ratings. then here’s the thing: you got to investsome time and money. this is your health. i know people, literally, that use essentialoils to treat their cancer. that’s what they’re doing. chemo failed them. radiation failed them. they’re using oils, and they’re doingwell. it’s that important.

you go; you try these oils. ask the company, “hey, can i have a test,an analysis of your oil?” i’m interested in lemon, for example. i will get a starter kit. they’re usually 40, 50 bucks. get a starter kit with lemon, peppermint,whatever they have, clove, and try them out. put them on your skin. dilute them. do a skin patch.

that’s very important. you know how when you get a carpet cleaner,they say, “go into that corner. clean the carpet in an inconspicuous spotbefore you stain the whole thing.” same thing with essential oils. dilute some with some coconut oil, put themon the back of your hand, and see what happens. if you break out in a hive, that’s not agood sign that your body’s responding to that or if you get redness, or itching, orburning. you want to see how your body responds. you’ll find, interestingly enough, thatthe oils that work for you might not work

for someone else just because it’s yourbody’s chemistry. dr. pompa:yeah. our microbiome is different. the microbiome in our digestive system andon our skin really determines even how your body uses something like an essential oil,how it breaks it down. the chemical components that come out of itis all determined by our bacteria, which is different for everybody. dr. eric:yup. i got myself in trouble.

i got to say, i’ll confess, early on, irecommended for people to use a certain brand, and they’re like, “hey, this thing workshorribly.” i learned my lesson quick.” again, you make a good point. the skin microbiome is one of the most largelymisunderstood and ignored things on our body. i really have done a lot of research on thatand how to really maximize that. that’s one reason why i’ve come up withso many diy recipes, dan, because it’s so important that we feed and nourish the healthybacteria in the right way. dr. pompa:yeah, absolutely.

what’s your website? dr. dr. pompa:all right. that’s easy, man. all right, drericz. that’s beautiful, man. that was a great answer, honestly. i think that was a really honest answer, agreat answer. i agree with that answer.

do what he says because i think that was beautifuladvice. all right, so let’s look. what about blood sugar? i’ll throw some things out, and meredith,i’ll let you throw some things out. blood sugar. so many people, hormone resistance, whetherit’s to insulin, leptin, estrogen, some essential oils that would help. dr. eric:first thing that comes to mind, we all know about cinnamon.

cinnamon, everyone uses, and that’s a greatsolution. my friend, the diabetes coach, dr. brian mowllhas actually looked into this a little bit more, and he’s found that [00:28:07] dr. pompa:i did summit for dr. brian. dr. eric:oh, yeah. awesome. brain’s a great guy. he and i have done really a lot of work. we actually wrote a book on this together.

we have found that just a couple drops ofcinnamon oil in a capsule, like a gel capsule, can have the same effect as a tablespoon ofcinnamon powder. cinnamon oil is very effective. folks, this isn’t just internal. you can inhale and also topical. we mustn’t forget these oils are transdermal. once you apply them with a carrier oil onyour body – and so for someone with diabetes or battling a blood sugar issue, you mightwant actually apply it over the pancreas. you might want to apply it over the abdomen.

we have seen studies show that when you applymassage oil over the abdomen, within minutes, those chemicals in the oil are in your bloodstream. dr. eric:twenty minutes only, and your wholebody has the effect of the essential oil. here’s the key, dan: within four hours,it’s out of your body. they become completely metabolized unlikedrugs that have biochemical make-up. that’s the cool thing about oils. also, don’t forget ylang ylang. the fun thing – and i say fun because i’mstill gripping my brain around this. the fun thing about ylang ylang, it actuallyharmonizes the body.

we have seen that for people that might behyper- or hypoglycemic. it helps create balance. we’re finding more research actually usingthe term harmonization. sandalwood and ylang ylang are two oils thatwe have seen, clinically speaking, create homeostasis in the body. i try to get people out of this whole medicalmindset, like, “i’m hyperglycemic. what do i do to fix it?” why are you hyperglycemic? more importantly, let’s get homeostasisin the body.”

that’s what we’re finding essential oilscan do. it’s mind-blowing. dr. pompa:couldn’t agree more, man. i love that response, too. i tell you what. you’re hitting it with me really well. i don’t like pushing the body in one directionor another unless you absolutely have to. innate intelligence wants to bring homeostasisin herbs. no doubt, essential oils being part of anherb, can bring that homeostasis and that

balance. meredith, i know you’ve got all kinds ofquestions. i know that look. she radiates [00:30:27] meredith:you know me well, dr. pompa. yeah, i do have questions, too. i think it’s an interesting topic, talkingabout the skin biome and back to that because oftentimes, when you think of just applyingthe oils typically on our skin, even though we like to diffuse them, and we can even ingestthem, as well, which is another topic.

you kind of mentioned briefly before thatyour wife had a really interesting healing story with her skin and using essential oilsfor that. i was wondering if you could share that. dr. pompa:oh, perfect. dr. eric:about 20 years ago, she – actually 24 years ago, she was 14 years old. beautiful, young, teenage girl went on vacationto minnesota. her grandparents at the time that she wasstaying with had well water. i don’t remember what it was, but it wassome knock-off facial cleanser that she got

at kmart. she washed her hands. she washed her face with this, and there wasa chemical reaction with the chemicals in the well water, and it literally burned fromhere down, burned the first three layers of her skin. burned it all, like open sores. she applied every ointment. she tried everything. she went to the doctor.

nothing could help. her mother’s best friend, mrs. b we callher, cheryl [buck], is a cherokee indian, and she practices ojibwa medicine. she goes, “you have to use lavender.” she gave her a little starter kit, her firstessential oil kit, now 24 years ago, and she gave her an ointment to make with some oilwith some aloe and some lavender. within weeks, her skin was healed. you look at her now, my wife, she’s gorgeous. she’s a pageant queen.

she does her anti-aging whatever she does. she’s got it down pat. it was lavender then that helped heal herskin. from then on, essential oils has been partof everything that she’s done, again, with the birthing process, every time she competes. everything that she does, she utilizes themindfulness aspect of essential oils, and not only that, but the therapeutic that goeson your skin. again, i just knew that. i had heard the story, and because i neverexperienced it myself, i just kind of dismissed

it until i started learning about these things. i’m like, “oh, that’s why that works.” meredith:i think it’s so perfect, too, to jump into the emotional component and the aromatherapycomponent of the oils, too, and how they can so just affect our brain chemistry. can you share on that and how that can kindof support our mental health? dr. eric:that’s a good question. i’ve been really deep recently into lookinginto emotional detoxing. dan, have you ever had anyone on your showtalk about that one, yet?

dr. pompa:oh, yeah. emotional component is something – look,physical, chemical, and emotional, removing these things is very critical to turn offbad genes. the emotional component is something thatwe really focused on in the last year, so bring it. let’s talk about it. how can the essential oils help with that? dr. eric:because we have seen – the science of smell is becoming so profound in the research world.

we’re really starting to tap into what itcan trigger, how it can trigger back that emotional response when you were abused asa child. how can it trigger back – it brings youback to 30 years ago when you were just married, and you smell your wife’s perfume, and itbrings you back to your honeymoon. it imprints something in our mind, and sowe need to be careful, especially when we’re dealing with grief and trauma, that we don’ttrigger those emotions back with certain smells. while we heal using smells that bring us through,that smell can take you through the rest of your life. the research is profound.

we always go back to the citrus oils becausethose have been shown clinically and traditionally to help boost mood, help with work/life balance. there’s really a lot of studies out there. it all goes back to what works for you. really, what i’ve been looking at more isabout this emotional detox experience. we have to get ourselves where our mind canjust calm, where our brain just stops with the wayward thoughts for just a few minutes. traditional scents, traditional incense, likefrankincense, like ylang ylang, like sandalwood – there’s so many other things.

when you go to the bible, look at the ancientanointing oil that god told aaron to make or moses and aaron. we have cassia, cinnamon, and myrrh with calamus,and those are all stuff you can get today. you got to think there was more than justa spiritual ritual behind that. these oils actually help meditate. they help us get in a higher state of consciousness. that’s really what it boils down to. i really do believe as a christian it canhelp us walk through the mind of christ much more because this toxic overload with thesmells that we have all around us, these fragrances,

the synthetic aerosols, that’s attackingour ability to really tap into who we are. dr. pompa:i’ll tell you what, just – matter of fact, let’s just review those, the emotional detox. i heard frankincense, myrrh. what were some of the original – write thosedown, meredith. i’m writing them down, too. dr. eric:you can go into exodus, chapter 33, they’d bejust the anointing oil, myrrh, calamus,cinnamon, cassia. that’s a great recipe.

frankincense – there’s a reason why frankincensewas given to the christ child. that was very important. we have actually records that egyptians usedto put frankincense under the bottoms of their eye. you remember the egyptian eyeliner? in some parts of egypt, that was burnt frankincenseresin. it produces a spiritual experience that helpsyou meditate. there’s also anti-aging – i mean healingmechanisms, as well. those are great.

also, i find ylang ylang is very, very harmonizing,very balancing, but more importantly, what works for you. if you actually smell lavender – there aremany people that actually get excited over lavender. it’s not calming for everyone. i want to be careful because we can’t putanything in a box. i’ve found a lot of people do. again, you have to find what works for you. dr. pompa:great.

good advice. meredith:such a good point. someone told me – i don’t know if maybeyou know the study to back it up – but people were actually rubbing frankincense oil oncancer tumors, and they were helping them to decrease. is there evidence behind that? unfortunately, when it comes to the research,most of what we have is in vitro. we have cells in a petri dish studies, orwe have animal studies. i will tell you, i know a lot of people – thecytotoxic effects of not only frankincense,

but you know what’s even more effectiveaccording to research? myrrh, sandalwood, and anything with a chemicalcalled d-limonene, which is in a lot of the citrus oils. hey, you know what the best-kept secret is? orange. orange is probably one of the cheapest, mostcost effective oils you can get on the market, and it’s unbelievably effective at fightingcancer. it produces that apoptotic effect, which isessentially cancer suicide, and it boosts the mood.

it is very, very effective at a lot of things. the more i look into certain oils that arecost effective, i’d find, “wow!” now, it’s really important to get that indigenously-sourcedand as free of pesticides as possible because that peel is what the oil is made out of,not the juice. if you’re getting it from a florida grovethat’s spraying the junk out of it, you’re getting that into your skin, folks. you got to be careful. i like getting my oils overseas where theydon’t use the unbelievable practices that america allows.

meredith:speaking of orange oil, i was just thinking i love – i have a wild orange oil, and isometimes mix it with balsamic vinegar and olive oil and make a salad dressing out ofit, and i ingest it. what do you think about ingesting some ofthese essential oils and possibly, dr. pompa, the effect on the microbiome? dr. pompa:great question, meredith. good question. when it comes to the microbiome – well,first of all, it’s safe if it’s used wisely. meredith:not all oils can be ingested, right?

not all of them can be ingested. you’re right. there are certain that are known as toxic. wintergreen is one that’s really problematicfor a lot of folks because it can be – but then again, it’s what flavors root beer. how do you balance that out? folks, we got to remember one thing. if you have a smell – i’m going back tosmell, anything with a fragrance like your bath & body works stuff – anything witha flavor like your lemon bars, your peppermint

patties, if it has a natural flavor to it,that’s an essential oil-based product. it’s all over the place. it’s just a matter of dosage. the problem is when someone gets a bottleand puts two, three drops in their mouth trying to prevent cancer. that could cause esophageal irritation, especiallywhen you use peppermint because that’s been shown to relax the esophageal sphincter soyou get reflux. it’s problematic, but it’s safe if youdo it wisely. really, the scheme of it all – i like tomake my own homemade smoothies.

i’ll put a straight up lemon, a whole lemon,in my smoothie. that’s about four drops of oil. i’m consuming it in its natural form. when you extract it, you’re getting it outof its natural form. i don’t know what your thoughts about juicingare, dr. pompa, but for me, we should limit our juice intake because it’s not in itsnatural form, without the fiber. same thing with oils. you’re not going to want to completely justoverdose on juice or oils, but used therapeutically or, like you said, meredith, culinarily, it’sawesome.

a drop of cilantro in your guacamole, areyou kidding me? that’s what we had at super bowl party overhere, so we use them. you know what? i also like to use them to enhance my experience. i love a little bit of liquid stevia witha drop of orange in my sparkling water. that’s my soda pop. again, for 13, 14 years, i haven’t dranksoda. i don’t do any of that junk anymore. i don’t want to – i don’t live on ricecakes and wafers all day.

i eat a very flavorful diet, and we enhancethat with essential oils. they’re very safe, very effective, but youjust got to be careful. meredith:yeah. i just had some bone broth this morning, andi put some rosemary oil and lemon oil in it because i didn’t feel like slicing an orangeand getting the fresh rosemary herbs. they’re so convenient, too, just when youwant to kind of drop right in your food. dr. eric:always dilute. dr. pompa:i just feel boring. i’m boring compared to you guys.

i got to add these things. i don’t think of this. meredith’s just always thinking of all thesethings. dr. eric:you’re missing out. you’re really missing out, but it’s fun. i need to take a moment and just – we haveto remember safety. it’s super-important. you never want to put oils on your body orin your body undiluted. you’re just going to hurt yourself, andit’s a waste.

it really is a waste of money. dr. pompa:how do you dilute them? i always just put them on straight. see? dr. eric:no. dr. pompa:[00:41:11] dr. eric:you know what? dr. pompa, you might actually – you mightcause what’s known as a sensitization response. you might cause your body to become allergicbecause its high concentrated plant compounds

our bodies aren’t made by god to absorbin our skin. think about it. you’re not going to find lavender out innature, a lavender oil out in nature. you have to extract it. dilution helps with a few different ways. you get a carrier oil, opens up the pores. it actually helps your body absorb it more. it protects the skin, and what’s reallyprofound is that we find that it’s going to do more for effectiveness than we actuallythink than just putting a drop because it

prevents evaporation. remember, essential oils are the volatileorganic compounds. it’s the compounds that evaporate. if you want your oils to go bad, keep yourbottle open. oxidation is going to kill your oils likenothing. carrier oils will prevent the evaporation,and it helps you get the most concentration in the right way. [00:42:11] dr. pompa:how do you do it?

tell us how you do it. what does it look like when you do it? tell me how you do it. dr. eric:if i’m going to actually – my family and i just had a little flu thing a couple weeksago. what i did – my medicine – was i got somecoconut oil, some good, unrefined, organic coconut oil. i put a couple drops of an immunity blendthat i like. it’s very similar to one that, meredith,you’re talking about.

i like having one with cinnamon, and clove,lemon, orange, eucalyptus, and rosemary. you mix all those together, and you get – asa blend, you put one or two drops of that blend in, a little bit of honey, a littlebit of himalayan sea salt. that right there is an immune-boosting shot. if you really want an immune-boosting shot,add some lypo-spheric vitamin c. i think that’s great, a liquid version of that. something like that, that’s my kids’ medicine. that’s how we internalize it, but i don’tdo that every day. i did that for just a couple days to get throughthe flu.

when you’re talking about topical, we wantto keep things under a 3% dilution. in the aromatherapy world, it’s all aboutpercentages. easiest way to remember it is this: one tablespoonof oil, like a carrier oil whether it’s jojoba, almond, coconut, fractionated coconut,you have 600 drops. if you have a 3% dilution, 3% of 600 is 18,which means you can use up to 18 drops of an essential oil per tablespoon of a carrieroil, which is good, standard, safe dilution. when you’re dealing with children and yourface, because your face is sensitive, or your genitalia – some people like to use thesefor issues down – like vaginal infections or prostate issues – 1%, which is six dropsper tablespoon.

that is considered very safe. for oils that are a little more hot, we callthem, like the cloves and the oregano, be very careful, always dilute. you don’t want to do a 1 to 1 ratio. that’s a 50% dilution. that can burn. that’s what happened to me early on, too. i didn’t know what i was doing. you just want to be careful.

more does not mean better, especially withessential oils. meredith:that’s so true. i put oregano oil directly on my skin onetime, and oh, my gosh! would never do that again, major burn. do not put oregano oil directly on your skin,anybody. the fractionated coconut oil is what i tendto use, as well, and it goes on really smoothly. i haven’t always been as good about dilutingit. it’s a really good reminder, too, to theimportance of absorption and protection of our bodies, too.

dr. pompa:people are going to ask the question – you said fractionated coconut oil versus not. what’s the difference, and where do theybuy it? dr. eric:yeah, good, good, good question. fractionated is probably the carrier oil ofchoice if you’re doing therapeutic things because it prevents oxidization, and it helps– it penetrates the skin relatively immediately. here’s the problem with using regular coconutoil if you’re trying to treat an illness: it creates an essential barrier to your skinbecause it’s so greasy. when you put fractionated oil on your skin,it goes right in.

it’s just like the oil. if you actually put a drop of essential oilon your skin, you’re not going to see it in five, ten seconds. it absorbs that quick. coconut oil doesn’t. fractionated coconut oil basically takes outthe long-chain fatty acids, so it allows just the medium-chain fatty acids to absorb immediately. it’s a little more expensive, but i’mnot using that for my lotions, and my potions, or my internal things.

i’m using that for – okay. i’m trying to help with a specific issuelike blood pressure, like cancer, like even a wound. great for wound care. you use coconut oil, regular, jojoba, almond,even evening primrose for a nice lotion, for your basic body care. they work great. fractionated is the go-to in my opinion andvery, very helpful. meredith:it’s essentially the same as mct oil, right,

the fractionated coconut oil? dr. eric:i guess i don’t know enough aboutthe manufacturer that’s going to be selling the mct oil, but yeah, in theory, it is, butagain, i know bulletproof and all these other folks – they have brain octanes. i don’t know what else is in that stuff,but essentially, it is, but there might be even short-chain fatty acids. essentially, it’s taking out the long one. yeah. just readily absorbable, and it won’t freezeup, or it won’t harden [00:46:49] yeah,

essentially, you can use mct oil, but thatcould get pricey. dr. pompa:you can buy fractionated coconut oil in most health food stores. dr. eric:yeah, and on amazon. all this stuff’s available on amazon, really. i try not to get my essential oils from amazonunless it’s from the direct source because you just don’t know who joe schmoe is selling. again folks, this is medicine. this is how my family and i take care of ourselves.

i can count on one hand how many times myfamily and i have been on antibiotics the last 10 years. when it comes to it, i want to get it froma good source. when it comes to your carrier oils and things,you can find all those relatively inexpensive on amazon from good suppliers. dr. pompa:when you live your life from insideout, knowing that the body heals itself – i have five kids. none of my kids have ever taken an antibioticin their entire lives. the cool thing is that the two there, righthere, we adopted at age seven, and they were

on antibiotics all the time. they were a family member that parents tragicallydied. then we got them, and they were never on anantibiotic again. point being is what changed? the philosophy changed. that’s it. their health and the dna was the same. what changed? they miraculously needed all these antibiotics,and then miraculously after we adopted them,

they never needed another one, and they’reamazing, healthy kids. yeah, i appreciate hearing that. this is great information. i know people are going to love this show,right, meredith? meredith:yeah, it is. dr. pompa:thank you, man. thank you for just – there’s a lot ofmyths. matter of fact, let’s finish with one morebig myth about essential oils that you have to battle and deal with, dr. eric.

dr. eric:essential oils are not safe, i’ve heard, for babies and pregnant women. i’m currently writing a book. i just signed a book deal with harmony, animprint of penguin random house. it wasn’t part of the book proposal, buti can’t get away from this topic of women’s health, specifically pregnancy, labor, anddelivery. i just have to tell folks, they are safe. we’ve used essential oils since birth onall of our children, wisely, safely. my wife has used essential oils all throughher pregnancies and have been a major factor

in how well she produces milk. we exclusively breastfeed our babies for atleast one year before introducing anything else. they are super, super safe for infants, forchildren, but you have to use them wisely. highly dilute them, be very careful, and usethem the right way. that’s the other myth. i get lambasted by people, “show me in theresearch.” i got lots of research studies that i justcame up with that i’ve seen that show how to use them, labor, delivery, nursing, allthat, even prenatal.

that’s another big myth. dr. pompa:what’s the dilution you usually do for babies or children? is it the 1% or even less? dr. eric:yeah, even less. less than up to 1% is what you want to do. i have four children. you have five. you know what it’s like.

a baby’s skin is like a sponge, and so they[00:50:07] dr. eric:it’s just so little. we got to think, too, dosage. that’s my big issue when it comes to mostdrugs and the whole vaccine thing is this little, unbelievable amount of dosage to thislittle, tiny human being. you got to remember that with essential oils,as well, plus aromatic use. here, folks, remember this. this is really important. how many of you walk into michael’s or joann’sarts and – you know – and you get hit

in the head with those smells? i’ve seen babies from birth go in to stopwith mama. hey, bless her heart. that’s fine. why would you think that aromatherapy througha diffuser would be harmful to your infant? you’re putting your infant everywhere else. it doesn’t even make sense logically speaking,and that’s the myth. that’s the myth. oh, and you can’t have peppermint or eucalyptusbecause it could cause respiratory arrest.

prove it. i know. i see kids going around bath & body workswith a cornucopia of smells, and they’re fine. folks, we need to use common sense, and that’sso important. god’s given us that measure of wisdom thatwe could use to really use things. here’s why i do what i do is to empowerus so we don’t have to go to the doctor all the time, so we know how to take careof ourselves, and we know we’re not afraid to use things.

dr. pompa:dr. eric, thanks for your expertise in this area. meredith has been wanting to bring this showand couldn’t have brought a better guy to bring this information to our listeners andviewers. thank you. thank you very much. dr. eric:i appreciate it. thanks for having me. meredith:awesome.

thanks, dr. eric. thanks, dr. pompa, as always, and thanks,everybody, for tuning in. we’ll catch you next time, and have a greatweekend. bye-bye.